Article How to Navigate Honda Parts Diagrams

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Many of us are aware that Honda parts diagrams are available online from sites such as Partzilla and similar businesses. As long as the parts we need are on one single illustration, it's easy to find the details.

It gets more difficult when one parts diagram makes reference to an assembly that is illustrated on another parts diagram - the references given, such as 'E20' or 'F20' don't appear to make any sense. But, if you know the history behind the parts diagrams, it becomes much easier to follow references from one diagram to another.

Honda began distributing their parts catalogs on microfiche in the early 1970s. Each 'fiche' contains up to 100+ illustrations, arranged in rows and columns identified by letters and numbers. The illustrations are too small to allow identification by the naked eye, so the fiche reader has a matching grid with a pointer to enable the user to slide the desired illustration (for example, Row E, illustration 20) under the lens.

The photos below show a fiche (it's about 4 by 6 inches), and a fiche reader.

Parts Fiche
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Fiche Reader
The arrow points to the grid on the machine that is used to navigate to a specific illustration.
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Below you will see two illustrations from the same fiche (Honda ST 1300), one showing the upper fuel tank and the other showing the lower fuel tank. In the red circles, you can see that the upper fuel tank diagram refers you to illustration F20 if you want to see where the hose that connects the two tanks goes to, and likewise, the lower fuel tank diagram refers you back to illustration F19. On the actual fiche (the 4 by 6 inch piece of film), these two illustrations are side by side. Unfortunatly, this is of no help to us if we are viewing the illustrations when they have been digitized and put on a website.

Illustration F19, with callout referring to illustration F20
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Illustration F20, with callout referring back to illustration F19
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There is a trick that we can use to make life a little easier when navigating between illustrations on a website. Note that in the lower right corner of each illustration, there is a combination of letters and numbers. Ignore all the letters except for the last one, and only consider the first two numbers shown. For the two illustrations shown above, this yields 'F19' for the upper illustration, and 'F20' for the lower one.

Illustration Numbers
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Now, all of a sudden, it kind of makes sense. We can't navigate directly to a cross-referenced illustration on an internet site, because the parts providers don't post the illustration numbers on their website - instead, the two diagrams above are identified as 'Fuel Tank' and 'Fuel Pump', respectively.

But, we can take a general guess at what the name of the cross-referenced diagram is, and then click on it, and all we have to do is look in the lower right corner of the diagram to see if it is the one that has been cross-referenced. Most times, we only have to look at the first two numbers (20 or 19), but occasionally, we will need to pay attention to the letter as well - note that in the diagram of the lower fuel tank and fuel pump assembly above, there is also a cross-reference made to diagram E21. Most of the time, though, there will not be two diagrams with the same number but different letters on one fiche, simply because the difference between diagram F20 and diagram E21 is that E21 is the next diagram in sequence, but it appears one row further down on the physical fiche.

Hope this information helps save you time.

Michael
 
They could put hyperlinks where the old microfiche cross-references callouts are, then navigation would be easier online than it was on the old system. I wonder if that would be a worthwhile project to host here.
 
John's project sounds like a stroke of genius, but didn't someone say genius is 10% inspiration and 90% perspiration? Never having spent enough time looking for parts has made me do some thinking. When the part I want is not on a given diagram, a quick look at the assembly with the arrow and fiche number and a scan of the titles of the digitized pages usually gets me to the right page fast enough to avoid frustration. The real problem is knowing or rather NOT knowing on which page the 5-way tee can be found (or other small part not named in the page title). For this, an index would indeed be helpful. If, however, you don't know Honda's name for the part (thingamajig doesn't work too well in your average index) you are up the creek and back to assemblies and adjacent parts.
 
I've shied away from posting this on here because although modified, the images are not my property. I'll alert @Mellow see what he thinks about posting it - maybe in a group private conversation which would keep search engines away from it ? But in the meantime, you know how to get hold of me.
Trouble is - I've just checked - its nearly 19MB - probably way too big. Mail me.
yeah, that's pretty big.. would slow the site down a lot during downloads and not sure if the server would allow the upload due to limits. Maybe some type of cross reference that isn't so many images?
 
The electronic version of the Honda ST1300 parts manual is available for purchase from Honda or Helm. I have never seen it so I don't know if it has internal links for quick navigation but I would hope so in this day and age.

This is one area I find Honda is lacking in. Many years ago when my brother-in-law ordered the service manual for his BMW to his surprise he received both the paper manual as well as an electronic version on CD. The electronic version makes it so much easier to find things because can you can use the search feature. I purchased a legal paper copy of the ST1300 service manual direct from Honda. I would really like to have an electronic version as well. I would be more than happy to pay for a legal electronic copy but I have never been able to find one even from Helm so I have assumed that it does not exist. If anyone knows differently do share.

I already know about the illegal 2003 copy that can be found on the internet.
 
Here's a PDF cross-reference chart I use for my 2007 ST1300 that lists the diagram reference codes in order. When I see a reference on a parts diagram to another diagram, this makes it easy to look up what the cross-reference diagram is named. It was pretty handy when I was looking at hoses on the Water Pipe diagram.
 

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I ended up labeling the cross-reference codes on the water hose diagrams in case this might make it easier for others.

Also, here are a couple of photos with the hoses numbered with the part numbers from the water pipe and radiator parts diagrams along with a sheet listing the OEM part numbers for the hoses and associated clamps. In the photos, RED numbers refer to the water pipe diagram and GREEN numbers to the radiator diagram. The PDF is a listing of the hoses and clamps with part numbers that correspond to the photos and parts diagrams.
 

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I ended up labeling the cross-reference codes on the water hose diagrams in case this might make it easier for others.

Also, here are a couple of photos with the hoses numbered with the part numbers from the water pipe and radiator parts diagrams along with a sheet listing the OEM part numbers for the hoses and associated clamps. In the photos, RED numbers refer to the water pipe diagram and GREEN numbers to the radiator diagram. The PDF is a listing of the hoses and clamps with part numbers that correspond to the photos and parts diagrams.
Deep into this on my 2006. Thank you for all your hard work compiling! Much appreciated!!
 
This thread was mostly dormant prior to me joining the site, but in the interest of selecting the proper parts to BUY for my bikes, I dissected the source code of the parts pages used by many on-line parts sellers; I'm certain they all use the same parts and inventory management software and just slap their business logos on them.

I digress... Often you can right click on an image to download it to your computer. But the site's user interface disables this function.

In Google Chrome, if you right click on the page and select "View Page Source" or press Ctrl+U, you see the underbelly of the page.

Press Ctrl+F to Open the Find feature, then search for "PNG", the extension of the file format for the image files used.

Look until you find something like, "/oem_assemblies/0009/0688/blah-blah-blah.png"

Copy that string, then paste it into the address field and preface it with the site's primary URL, like https://www.mypartsite.com/oem_assemblies/0009/0688/blah-blah-blah.png

Your browser will display the image where you CAN right click and download the image. Then you can print them to make a hard copy that's much easier to reference in the workshop with greasy hands.

:)
 
Often you can right click on an image to download it to your computer. But the site's user interface disables this function.

That depends on the site. Ron Ayers site won't let me d/l an image with Ctrl-Click/Right-Click in macOS/Safari/Firefox unless I do the Show Page Source Boogie.

Partzilla will in Safari. Maybe in other Browser/OSs too. Save it wherever you want. I didn't bother checking with Firefox.

The part numbers are a different story. Print and I get a bunch of stuff I don't need. But after scrutinizing a part image in a size where everything can be seen far more clearly it's no big deal to go to the sited for specific info knowing the item number. Then you get the part number and a bonus: proper nomenclature.
 
Your browser will display the image where you CAN right click and download the image. Then you can print them to make a hard copy that's much easier to reference in the workshop with greasy hands.
There is a Honda ST1300 parts manual available for download on the internet. It is a complete Honda parts manual with all of the images and parts diagrams. They are much clearer than the online diagrams. Being a PDF it is searchable and the images print in high quality that is easily legible. It is much easier than using the online fiches. Many of the part numbers listed in it have been superseded over the years but that doesn't matter at all. Once you have the part number that you are looking for if you simply punch it in to any vendors site the latest revised P/N will pop up.

I know that you have an ST1100 as well. I never looked for one because I no longer have my ST1100's but I would be surprised if there wasn't a Honda ST1100 parts manual on the internet somewhere as well.
 
I know that you have an ST1100 as well. I never looked for one because I no longer have my ST1100's but I would be surprised if there wasn't a Honda ST1100 parts manual on the internet somewhere as well.
I've not found one Andrew. Sure would be nice to have though.
 
That depends on the site. Ron Ayers site won't let me d/l an image with Ctrl-Click/Right-Click in macOS/Safari/Firefox unless I do the Show Page Source Boogie.

Partzilla will in Safari. Maybe in other Browser/OSs too. Save it wherever you want. I didn't bother checking with Firefox.

The part numbers are a different story. Print and I get a bunch of stuff I don't need. But after scrutinizing a part image in a size where everything can be seen far more clearly it's no big deal to go to the sited for specific info knowing the item number. Then you get the part number and a bonus: proper nomenclature.
Re MAC: Use shift-command-4 for the screen grab function
 
Re MAC: Use shift-command-4 for the screen grab function

Re Mac: Shft-Cmd-4 and Shft-Cmd-5 (depending on OS) work well for screenshots when you don't want the whole screen. I generally prefer downloading an image over a screenshot. I also like Cmd-P/save as .pdf as it can be usually be enlarged with greater clarity than screenshot.
 
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