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Question about Rotella 5W40
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Obviously you never followed the lawsuit a few years back….
It was all over the internet.
It was IMPLIED that it was certified, but nobody was ever able to provide a certification number for their product.
It came down to something like “if it was tested, it would pass the certification requirements” but shell got jammed up in legal woes because of that.
Find a real verified certification number and I’ll send you a dollar.
It was all over the internet.
It was IMPLIED that it was certified, but nobody was ever able to provide a certification number for their product.
It came down to something like “if it was tested, it would pass the certification requirements” but shell got jammed up in legal woes because of that.
Find a real verified certification number and I’ll send you a dollar.
Andrew Shadow
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I am not arguing against your use of it. Nor am I attempting to convince you not to use it as it is of no consequence to me what oil you use. What I am attempting to correct is the myth that Rotella oil is JASO MA/MA2 certified. It is not, and it has never been. Claiming that it is affords it a technical credence that it does not have. Use it if you like and sing its praises if you like, but don't mislead others about what it is.
Andrew Shadow
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No it isn't. She'll uses misleading labeling by lumping the OEM specifications that they claim that their oil meets together with certifications that it actually does have. This makes it look like it has the whole string of certifications listed. Look at that label again. The certications that it actually has are validated by the inclusion of the certification number assigned to it. The JASO MA/MA2 has no such certification number because it has never been certified by JASO. Whether or not it actually meets the specifications of JASO MA/MA2 is a completely different debate. Whether or not it is certified JASO MA/MA2 is not up for debate because JASO states that it is not.
Andrew Shadow
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Same reply as above- No Rotella oil is JASO MA/MA2 certified.0W-40 Diesel Oil- Full Synthetic T6 | Shell Rotella®
Buy 0W-40 diesel oil, part of the Shell Rotella®T6 full synthetic line. Shear stability for better viscosity control in low winter temps. Promotes fuel economy.rotella.shell.com
15/40 has better sear strength than 5/40, doesn't mean it doesn't work. Since it's such a small engine it should be just fine. Bought my 09 R1200rt used. Owner had all the maint receipts done at the dealer. Trans and final drive oil spec is 75/90. Both times when it was done they used 75/140.Yup, my BMW F900XR.
Well, that blows the whole argument for why BMW went to a 5W -40 for their new parallel twin engines.
Yeah... This one is a little testy. Someone is going to "win" the argument. My bet is on who lives the longest.
Chris
Just a point of clarification. I never said it was JASO certified.
There's more at https://blog.amsoil.com/whats-the-difference-between-jaso-ma-and-jaso-ma2-oil/
They have some very simple charts. The oil either meets the spec or not in three areas. Dynamic friction. Static friction. And stop time.
To my uneducated eye, the word JASO on the container says it is safe to use in a motorcycle with a wet clutch. Every motorcycle forum I've been on raves about Shell Rotella T6 oil. And I do my own testing to "certify" the oil is safe for a wet clutch...as well as the engine it is being used in.
I suppose you'll want to know how my certification testing is conducted. Well...I twist the right wrist and loosen my grip on the left lever that controls the clutch. The bike moves forward and in about 3.2 seconds I'm at 60 mph. My only problem is my left hand has been ripped off the handlebar grip twice. I can guarantee you that the wet clutch on my XR does not slip using Rotella T6. It also occurs to me that if anyone doesn't want to use Shell Rotella T6 oil...especially if it doesn't have a certification sticker on the bottle...I doubt Shell will notice your boycott of its oil. There are millions of other people using the oil.
Chris
I didn’t say it was. It meets those requirements according to the manufacturer.
That must be why she’ll got in a legal mess by misleading labels and guaranteeing it would meet those standards.
Never went through the certification tests, so you are just taking them at their word that it’s ok.
There is a difference between actually testing it, passing the certification requirements and labeling it correctly.
Shell lost in court.
Believe what you want.
As far as the NEW version of 5w40 T6
It only took me replacing 4 low mileage clutch packs in late model ST’s that were slipping so badly the folks thought the bikes went out of gear.
But hey it used to be good before they changed the formula, so keep using it, nobody is trying to change your mind.
That may happen when you find yourself sitting on the floor pulling out nasty black clutch plates.
Never went through the certification tests, so you are just taking them at their word that it’s ok.
There is a difference between actually testing it, passing the certification requirements and labeling it correctly.
Shell lost in court.
Believe what you want.
As far as the NEW version of 5w40 T6
It only took me replacing 4 low mileage clutch packs in late model ST’s that were slipping so badly the folks thought the bikes went out of gear.
But hey it used to be good before they changed the formula, so keep using it, nobody is trying to change your mind.
That may happen when you find yourself sitting on the floor pulling out nasty black clutch plates.
On another note, Honda branded oils don’t even have the API starburst or label on their lubricants because they cannot legally do so because it’s somebody else’s product that is just rebranded.
So Honda used that cute looking square with the letters people want to see on it and folks think it’s the best oil ever, when in all probability, it probably just meets the bare minimum standards.
So Honda used that cute looking square with the letters people want to see on it and folks think it’s the best oil ever, when in all probability, it probably just meets the bare minimum standards.