An honest question

So, in other words, this will boost one's self-esteem. Meaning, if the self-esteem is low, we need to prove something we can do in order to rase it.
Do we have a phycologist here? :)
Having the pretty gal give you a smile will boast your esteem, an IBA ride will just make you tired. If you tie your self esteem to riding a MC you may need a psychologist
 
So, in other words, this will boost one's self-esteem. Meaning, if the self-esteem is low, we need to prove something we can do in order to rase it.
Do we have a phycologist here? :)
Nope, you missed the point.
Some folks are 'completers' and get great satisfaction from the simple pleasure of completing things.
None of us are 'wired' exactly the same way.
There are even 'strange' people who get great satisfaction just out of the simple act of running.
That's why Baskin Robbins does well with 31 flavors ...
It's sort of like those who search for the hottest chicken to eat cause they like it.
Me, I'm fine with good old plain Colonel Sanders and wouldn't touch the hot stuff.
That does not make them or me smarter, more manly, better or more secure - just different.
There are those who suffer from low self-esteem, then there are those who suffer (and make others suffer) with too high self-esteem.
My mother gave a piece of advice on that issue when I was growing up that I have hung on to over the years.
We were dirt poor and considered poor white trash (the local Ford Dealer wouldn't even sell them a car because they were not 'worthy').
Her words were these -

"You ain't no better than anybody else .... but you ain't no worse either!"
 
But here is the ultimate question asked by @Igofar - "Would you still do it if you could tell nobody about it?" Each one should ask themself this question. And if the answer is "yes" - you on the right track :)
 
My dad was a huge IBR guy. Did many of them, always looking for the next-level achievement he could reach.

He was all about 'bragging rights' - putting that patch or license plate frame or sticker or whatever was what motivated him. 100% he'da never done it without the 'trophies'...
 
My dad was a huge IBR guy. Did many of them, always looking for the next-level achievement he could reach.

He was all about 'bragging rights' - putting that patch or license plate frame or sticker or whatever was what motivated him. 100% he'da never done it without the 'trophies'...
Again, it is based on the 'condition' of your ego.
If 'bragging rights' are the motivator, then such a one could suffer from either too little self-esteem or too much ...
I ride because I like to ride - the only reason I have one IBA certificate is because I could not possess IBA items given to me in kindness with a clear conscious otherwise.
As I tell people at the BRG -
"There is a wire that runs from your ego to your throttle hand.
If you will cut it, you will probably stay out of the bushes and off the ground.
If you don't we'll probably be picking up the fragments that remain". ;)
 
I bought my ST to get about and see things. I ride to work now than anything. Take the kids for rides typically not more than 100 miles. Seeing and being with friends and family. Hope to do shine longer rides to see things further away in the future.
 
Again, it is based on the 'condition' of your ego.
If 'bragging rights' are the motivator, then such a one could suffer from either too little self-esteem or too much ...
I ride because I like to ride - the only reason I have one IBA certificate is because I could not possess IBA items given to me in kindness with a clear conscious otherwise.
As I tell people at the BRG -
"There is a wire that runs from your ego to your throttle hand.
If you will cut it, you will probably stay out of the bushes and off the ground.
If you don't we'll probably be picking up the fragments that remain". ;)
Yeah. Assuredly ego-based. Dad was probably on the 'too much' side of the ego thing. Army general, serial entrepreneur, very 'alpha'. His interest in badges, stickers, etc. was kind of a 'marking his territory' thing.

I myself not even slightly into IBR thing. A lone wolf rider generally, and if I do a long ride it's b/c something or someone I wanna see at the end of it. Feel free to psychoanalyze as you wish. My take is I'm slightly sociopathic and the concept of what anyone else thinks is kinda alien to me: I gotta kinda try and make an effort to care what others think/say. But on the plus side, that means I definitely don't have 'a wire that runs from my ego to my throttle hand' so don't suffer from road rage or similar ;-)
 
Would you still do it if you could tell nobody about it?
I did it once to prove a point. I was on the Suzuki Burgman forum where there were two models. The 650cc twin and the 400cc single. According to some 650 owners, they wouldn't even take a 400 on the freeway from one exit to the next. It was just totally unsafe according to them. I finally decided to do a SS1000 just to prove a point. The 400 was capable of not only going from one freeway onramp to the next offramp, but it was capable of doing a 1000 miles in a day.

Now I put the license plate frame on each motorcycle I've owned since then. I like telling people who notice that I did it on a 34 hp scooter...not on that motorcycle that looks like it could do it. I have no interest in doing another.

The thing that I realized very quickly is that the motorcycle isn't important. By that I mean that 400cc scooter acted like nothing had happened the next day. You don't need a top of the line sport-touring bike to complete one. Even a scooter will get you there.


Part Two - It isn't any of the IBA rides, but the idea of a challenge. This might get long, so you're free to skip it.

I ride first off for the sheer enjoyment of it. I told a woman last night in Montpelier, ID that when you're in a car seeing all the scenery, it is like you're watching it on a big screen TV. It's a big screen and cool...but you're just enough removed to miss part of the experience. You're just not in the moment. I've hit my moments of finding myself sitting behind cars doing about 15 mph under the speed limit...and then when a passing lane opens up, they speed up so no one can pass them. :( Well, on one occasion, I went out to pass a truck and trailer on what I thought was a short passing lane, and when I got by him, I realized the passing lane hadn't quit and there was another RV up about a half mile(?) ahead. I couldn't believe my luck. I decided to see if I could pass that second RV while the passing lane was still available. The road ahead would be free and clear if I could get past him.

I'm normally a rather sedate rider, but this wasn't one of those times. I gave the bike some gas and it felt good, so I gave it some more. And then some more. :) The first couple corners went by easily and so I gave it some more gas. I never felt like I was even at 9/10ths but the bike just felt part of me. When I did manage to pass him, I looked down at my dash and it said 96 mph. Oops! But it felt so good and effortless.

That woman would never get that feeling sitting in a car...or she'd be grabbing the seat and screaming to slow down! :D :D

People are always astonished that I ride all year long. I've ridden in temps as low as 16F...and as high as 116F. I ride in rain, and the other day got caught in several thunderstorms that at one point, I was only following the tail lights of the car ahead of me. I rode about 430 miles today. Why? (Yes, I used to climb mountains. ;) ) I think part of it is we men (and women) don't have challenges in our lives. Gone are the days of going out to kill the wooly mammoth and fight off the saber-toothed tiger. When I put on my gear, I'm reminded of how Paul wrote in Ephesians 6 on putting on our armor. The analogy was like a Roman soldier. We need to think ahead on how to deal with temps like I hit today at 100F...and how cool it was when I started off in the morning. And if we don't prepare ourselves physically and mentally, we can't just turn up the heat or turn on the A/C in the car. We have to live with our mistakes.

It would've been so much easier to sit at home in front of my computer screen and skip the rally in New Mexico. But that's only existing and waiting to die. This is living.

Chris
 
I've ridden in temps as low as 16F...and as high as 116F. I ride in rain, and the other day got caught in several thunderstorms

Good on you! I'm 100% a fair-weather rider. Too cold, too hot, too wet ... I'm a no-go.

But props to all you who get out there and do it no matter what. I mean it. I admit to being a pv$$y, no problem. You rock.

I do love riding in NM though. Santa Fe to Taos is one of my favorite runs. Used to 'day trip' that for lunch in Taos with Dad a few times a year. Also Santa Fe to Pagosa Springs (though technically that's NM/CO).
 
@KCJones99 - I started riding again in 2006 for my commute in Seattle. We couldn't afford electric heated gear, so I just made do with what I had....layers upon layers. I joked that if I ever crashed, I couldn't be hurt because I'd be like the Michelin Man and just bounce.

It used to be such a pain putting on some of the layers. And then one day I realized it was really only one more layer for normal 38F commuting vs summer. And once on the bike, it was just as enjoyable as commuting in the summer. I just needed to prepare for it.

You can do it too!

Chris
 
To me, I think it comes down to ticking off boxes of different things to do, or accomplish, on a bike. To experience everything it has to offer, within your limits. Like doing the “Tail” (on all of your bikes :wink:), maybe an IBA ride (just one to show yourself you did it), maybe an overnight camping trip with only what you can fit on the bike, going to Daytona Bike Week at least once, Sturgis same, maybe a track day, maybe a police rodeo, etc. I’ve never shared what all I’ve done on any of my bikes beyond family, or unless someone asks, and don’t care to. Unless you’re in my shop and happen to notice the stickers I put on my toolboxes from places I’ve been or companies I’ve enjoyed shopping with, or the out-of-the-way photo of me riding my Magna on the “Tail”, you’d never hear about any of it from me. It’s like when I was studying martial arts and I had to get something from out of the back storeroom of the dojo and I came upon hundreds, yes, hundreds of trophies, many 6’ tall that my Shihan had collected over the years. All collecting dust. To him they weren’t important to show off, the knowledge and skill he earned over the years was enough for him. That really stuck with me. All this to say it’s personal, it’s things I want to accomplish for Me. That’s all that really matters.
 
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@KCJones99 - I started riding again in 2006 for my commute in Seattle. We couldn't afford electric heated gear, so I just made do with what I had....layers upon layers. I joked that if I ever crashed, I couldn't be hurt because I'd be like the Michelin Man and just bounce.

It used to be such a pain putting on some of the layers. And then one day I realized it was really only one more layer for normal 38F commuting vs summer. And once on the bike, it was just as enjoyable as commuting in the summer. I just needed to prepare for it.

You can do it too!

Chris
I hear you. And for those as gotta ride, that makes good sense.

But I don't gotta ride. I don't commute. I'm retired, I only ride for fun, and just don't want the hassle.
 
I've done some cert rides and distances, some documented and some not.
I'd do it even if y'all didn't know about it.
But I wanted the long sleeved t-shirt because I liked the logo.
For a while my dream was to one day enter the IBR to test myself, but after a while I admitted to myself that I like my sleep too much. A day, or two days, I can do.
Butt I don't want to do it for a week and a half... yet still admire those who do.
 
Yeah. Assuredly ego-based. Dad was probably on the 'too much' side of the ego thing. Army general, serial entrepreneur, very 'alpha'. His interest in badges, stickers, etc. was kind of a 'marking his territory' thing.

I myself not even slightly into IBR thing. A lone wolf rider generally, and if I do a long ride it's b/c something or someone I wanna see at the end of it. Feel free to psychoanalyze as you wish. My take is I'm slightly sociopathic and the concept of what anyone else thinks is kinda alien to me: I gotta kinda try and make an effort to care what others think/say. But on the plus side, that means I definitely don't have 'a wire that runs from my ego to my throttle hand' so don't suffer from road rage or similar ;-)
Yeah I was in the Marines and I saw a lot fellers like your dad.
And woe unto you if they happened to have 1 more stripe that you did ... ;)
I've also seen a few of those that show up at the BRG that I have been holding for 23 years.
We ride some reasonably technical stuff that is very unforgiving and some of them found out they were not quite as good a rider as they thought.
Some ended up in the weeds, some ended up in the hospital, some managed a 'save'. :biggrin:
 
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