I recently noticed the same thing in the manual but have used Honda Moly 60 Paste on all of those surfaces for years.
Rear wheel drive spline wear
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Andrew Shadow
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Page 14-2 where it shows the symbol
and page 14-3 where it states Moly grease is wrong.
Page 14-4 shows the correct Moly paste
symbol.
and page 14-3 where it states Moly grease is wrong.Page 14-4 shows the correct Moly paste
symbol.
John OoSTerhuis
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ST1100Y
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Methinks the early editions were...
The addendums and later issues might have been corrected; I'll check my library later...
ST1100Y
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Well, as expected, the ABS/TCS (hence '92 onward) manual shows the [MP] symbol on all the relevant surfaces there...
Andrew Shadow
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See post #42 above.
The graphic on page 14-4 is correct. What does the graphic on page 14-2 and the text on page 14-3 of your manual indicate?
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There cannot be any wear if there is no metal to metal contact. I use high pressure moly grease, unlike the paste it never dries out. The same stuff that is used on driveshaft splines on cars, trucks and semis. 300, 400 horsepower or more and the splines last over 100K miles on vehicles weighing tons. Think of the forces on those driveshaft splines.
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ST1100Y
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14-2 Rear Wheel Removal/Installation
14-4 Rear Wheel Disassembly/Assembly
So one is just popping the rear wheel out and back in for any reason, the other actual maintenance...
And since the [MP] paste is far superior in wear protection...
(that point has already been discussed ad nauseum during the old days of the email-liST... plus that the installation manual packed with a new drive spline, also shows [MP] on all relevant surfaces...)
Andrew Shadow
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Regardless of what service procedure is being referenced pages 14-2 and 14-3 still list the incorrect product- See the attached. This is what the poster was asking about so I was pointing out the discrepancies between the pages in response to his question.
Adding high pressure moly grease to moly paste would stop it from drying out.
I like Apple computers products but I know Apple sometimes does things to make me spend more money when I should not have to. I think Honda does the same thing.
Although as already stated the service manual does say
“Apply multipurpose NLGI NO.2 grease (molybdenum disulfide additive) to the driven flange and the ring gear. “ At least on the ST1100 anyway. IMO, the ST1300 should be the same.
Does the ST1100 have a history of drive spline failure? I doubt it.
I like Apple computers products but I know Apple sometimes does things to make me spend more money when I should not have to. I think Honda does the same thing.
Although as already stated the service manual does say
“Apply multipurpose NLGI NO.2 grease (molybdenum disulfide additive) to the driven flange and the ring gear. “ At least on the ST1100 anyway. IMO, the ST1300 should be the same.
Does the ST1100 have a history of drive spline failure? I doubt it.
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So I'm really, really, really, really, really....... sorry for raising this subject again. It was just the conflicting information between the site 'experts' (or should I say 'experienced owners') and the manufacturers documentation.
@Andrew Shadow thank you for the very factual response. Just as a passing observation, I had followed the Honda instruction and re-installed the rear wheel with grease. Then my brain said... you know better than that.... back out to the garage this afternoon, removed the rear wheel.... no real layering of grease on the drive splines despite me putting lots on there yesterday. Clean off and do it properly.. back to 8012... my immenent trip to Hungary/Czech republic (to watch two World Superside (sidecars) championship rounds) will be done without me constantly thinking.... will we make it
@ASPC The ST1300 workshop manual actually specifies the correct paste, not grease and oh yes, the 1100 definitely has a history of spline failure with the incorrect lube/oils seal replacement... I am living proof of that... look earlier on this thread
Oh yes, I can officially announce that this thread can close..... ooops forum master... not my place to say
@Andrew Shadow thank you for the very factual response. Just as a passing observation, I had followed the Honda instruction and re-installed the rear wheel with grease. Then my brain said... you know better than that.... back out to the garage this afternoon, removed the rear wheel.... no real layering of grease on the drive splines despite me putting lots on there yesterday. Clean off and do it properly.. back to 8012... my immenent trip to Hungary/Czech republic (to watch two World Superside (sidecars) championship rounds) will be done without me constantly thinking.... will we make it
@ASPC The ST1300 workshop manual actually specifies the correct paste, not grease and oh yes, the 1100 definitely has a history of spline failure with the incorrect lube/oils seal replacement... I am living proof of that... look earlier on this thread
Oh yes, I can officially announce that this thread can close..... ooops forum master... not my place to say
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John OoSTerhuis
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Yes. Definitively. Please use moly paste >40% on the ST1100 drive splines. TruST me.
John
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There are different recommendations locally for Loctite 8012 where an ST1100 owner has driven 140,000 kilometers and used Biltema's Molybdenum disulfide grease MoS2 without any problems. A BMW owner has tested several types but says the best is Klübergrease Staburags NBU 30 PTM. Another thinks Honda M-77 MOLY 60 is best. I don't know but I would assume you think Loctite 8012 is best for ST1100 …
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Which grease were you using when your splines failed?
John OoSTerhuis
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Mine look fine at 190,210 statute miles. Always used the original Honda Moly 60. I’ve been on the three ST forums since 1998 and know of many failed rear drive spline failures because of non-spec lubes. But do whatever you want, I won’t comment further.
John