Should the fork tubes slide back through the triple tree with a tiny bit of grease, or dry? Then tightened.
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No grease, just clean and dry.
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Kept em dry and Scotchbrited the triple tree clamp innards to get em shiney. Thanks
When refitting the axle a little grease is no bad thing and will help make the insertion easier. I make a point of tightening the axle nut first, then bouncing the forks to let the offside clamp find the most relaxed/aligned position on the axle, then tighten the clamps. You get the least stiction/binding by doing this.
I seem to remember once or twice when the tubes didn't want to go back through the clamps as easily as I expected, I inserted a large flat blade screwdriver into the small opening on the clamp and turned it a bit to open the clamp just a little. That made the insertion a piece of cake. I think even after releasing the pinch bolts they sometimes have a little spring to them, not enough to prevent you from pulling the tube out, but after the tube comes out the remaining spring tension makes the clamp openings shrink to a little smaller than ideal. Doesn't happen every time, but I remember doing it at least once over the 28 years I've owned the bike.
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Tubes went back through easily, no problem. I spoke with the local RaceTech guy who did the work. He was great by the way ... Steve at Suspension Systems in Alexander NY.
He said use nothing, as TerryS said. (I too always grease the axle). Only the Scotchbrite pad to tidy up the triple tree clamps.
Hope I notice a difference with these fancy fork innards! (not that things felt bad before).
He said use nothing, as TerryS said. (I too always grease the axle). Only the Scotchbrite pad to tidy up the triple tree clamps.
Hope I notice a difference with these fancy fork innards! (not that things felt bad before).
Dean.
This brings back memories of my spring and fork oil change in my 1300. What difference when complete.
Glad to hear you had success.
Dave
This brings back memories of my spring and fork oil change in my 1300. What difference when complete.
Glad to hear you had success.
Dave
Also make sure the axle bolt slides easily through both fork legs to insure that the forks are both at the same depth. After install of wheel the tire should be centered in vertically in forks
If you put in Gold Valves, you will notice the difference when you roll over the first bump. Then you will want GVs in your rear shock, too.
Grease on the axle also prevents rust, which can make removal next year a bit difficult. First time I pulled my wheel, I put anti seize on the axle. Big mistake, as I found out when I removed the wheel a year later and ended up with anti seize on my hands, my pants, shirt sleeves, my cheek and a dab on my left ear....
Grease on the axle also prevents rust, which can make removal next year a bit difficult. First time I pulled my wheel, I put anti seize on the axle. Big mistake, as I found out when I removed the wheel a year later and ended up with anti seize on my hands, my pants, shirt sleeves, my cheek and a dab on my left ear....
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Regarding the anti-dive. There is an item Honda calls a 'stop ring' #1 which apparently goes on the end of the 'pivot collar/bushing #2/3. Looks like an itty bitty split ring on the fiche. Is it? There is, a really tiny groove at the end of #2 to accept it.
I don't seem to have it anywhere and am wondering if I can just do without. Since the anti-dive is now disabled anyway with the Gold Valves.
I don't seem to have it anywhere and am wondering if I can just do without. Since the anti-dive is now disabled anyway with the Gold Valves.
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John OoSTerhuis
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Yes on the split ring, install one. BTDT
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Hi John. Will it be ok until after a 1300 mi trip to OH-STOC. Can't get one until then.
What does it do anyway. That 'pivot collar' can't go anywhere.
Don't know if the disabled anti dive has any bearing.
What does it do anyway. That 'pivot collar' can't go anywhere.
Don't know if the disabled anti dive has any bearing.
John OoSTerhuis
Life Is Good!
I missed that the unit was disabled.
hey Dean, I'm curious about the part(s) that are shown in the diagram because my bike doesn't seem to have the same set of parts that are shown in the diagram.
On mine, its just a single flange piece, that always falls out when I remove the caliper and I have to remember that the wide side of the flange goes to the right side when re-inserting it.
All it seems to do is reduce the hole in the anti-dive piston to the size of the lower caliper bolt that goes through it. As you say, its captive once you tighten down the caliper bolt, so I don't know what the purpose of the retaining clip would be, unless that's what's supposed to keep it from falling out in the first place when you remove the caliper. I've looked at mine a few times, but never all that closely, and I never noticed a place where a clip would even be used.
edit: went out and removed it and took a closer look, and there's a really fine groove that appears like it could take a clip, but its so small a groove I never noticed it before. the clip that fits it must be very fine wire gauge, (and very weak).
The diagram shows parts 1, 2, and 3, on my bike I seem to only have part 2 and its been that way for 28 years. There is another round piece that's in the anti-dive plunger, and never comes out. I suspect it might be part 3 in the diagram, but I'm not sure. The fit between my part 2 and the I.D. of the plunger is a little loose, so that could mean that part 3 is missing if its a pretty thin gauge collar. Mine seems to be a little out of round too, so I suspect I've been riding it all along without the part 3 collar and the hole got hogged out a little bit. Doesn't seem to affect riding or braking though, whatever that's worth.
If anyone reads this and can measure the diameter of parts 2 and 3 in the diagram with a micrometer/caliper and report back, I'd appreciate it. My part 2 diameter measures 0.321/0.322" or about 8.16mm. Also, if you could check the hole in the anti-dive plunger and see if it has an insert that's captive or not I'd be curious about that too.
On mine, its just a single flange piece, that always falls out when I remove the caliper and I have to remember that the wide side of the flange goes to the right side when re-inserting it.
All it seems to do is reduce the hole in the anti-dive piston to the size of the lower caliper bolt that goes through it. As you say, its captive once you tighten down the caliper bolt, so I don't know what the purpose of the retaining clip would be, unless that's what's supposed to keep it from falling out in the first place when you remove the caliper. I've looked at mine a few times, but never all that closely, and I never noticed a place where a clip would even be used.
edit: went out and removed it and took a closer look, and there's a really fine groove that appears like it could take a clip, but its so small a groove I never noticed it before. the clip that fits it must be very fine wire gauge, (and very weak).
The diagram shows parts 1, 2, and 3, on my bike I seem to only have part 2 and its been that way for 28 years. There is another round piece that's in the anti-dive plunger, and never comes out. I suspect it might be part 3 in the diagram, but I'm not sure. The fit between my part 2 and the I.D. of the plunger is a little loose, so that could mean that part 3 is missing if its a pretty thin gauge collar. Mine seems to be a little out of round too, so I suspect I've been riding it all along without the part 3 collar and the hole got hogged out a little bit. Doesn't seem to affect riding or braking though, whatever that's worth.
If anyone reads this and can measure the diameter of parts 2 and 3 in the diagram with a micrometer/caliper and report back, I'd appreciate it. My part 2 diameter measures 0.321/0.322" or about 8.16mm. Also, if you could check the hole in the anti-dive plunger and see if it has an insert that's captive or not I'd be curious about that too.
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Wide side on the inboard side. Don't know why. I had it wrong and had to go back and turn it around.
SO very fine. Really have to be looking for it.
Sorry Doug. It's back together and I always have to re-learn how to read the darn micrometer anyway.
I ordered that 'stopper ring' today just because, in case it actually does something.
Maybe we're overthinking? or, maybe not!
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